Thursday, January 22, 2026

Antiochus ‘Epiphanes’ was the little horn of Daniel 7:8

 



 

by

Damien F. Mackey

 

 

“While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn,

a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns

were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being 

and a mouth that spoke boastfully”.

Daniel 7:8

 

Introduction

 

Here, following up on a recent article of mine in which I considered the views of a Seventh-Day Adventist writer concerning the little horn of the prophecies of Daniel:

 

Daniel 7 and 8

 

 (4) Daniel 7 and Daniel 8

 

 

as expressed in his article, “Why Antiochus IV Is Not the Little Horn of Daniel 8”: http://1844madesimple.org/why-antiochus-iv-is-not-the-little-horn-of-daniel-8

I will now consider the views of another writer, an ex-Adventist this time, regarding the identification of Daniel’s little horn. And I shall be in agreement with him.

 

I refer to Winston McHarg  |  14 January 2018  | who will inform us at the beginning of his article:

Why the Little Horn of Daniel 8 Must Be Antiochus Epiphanes – Adventist Today

 

Why the Little Horn of Daniel 8 Must Be Antiochus Epiphanes

Commentary

  

In 1978 I made the most difficult decision I have ever had to make. In spite of my love for my church, my work, my family and friends, I felt compelled by conscience to withdraw from the ministry of the Seventh-day Adventist church. The main reason I took this traumatic, heart-wrenching step was that I had come to disbelieve my church’s fundamental doctrine of a pre-advent investigative judgment.

 

In the first case, the Seventh-Day Adventist writer, I went so far as to accept this conclusion of his: 

 

How much more evidence does one need?  The little horn power of Daniel 7 and the littler horn power of Daniel 8 are both the same entity …

 

About which I commented: “I think that this article has made an excellent case in favour of the truth at least of this last statement”.

 

But then I concluded by leaving the door open on his other view, his emphatic belief that Antiochus IV was not the little horn of Daniel, with this statement: “Regarding Antiochus ‘Epiphanes’ himself, though, I intend to tackle that subject in my next article, on the little horn of Daniel 7:8”.

 

The present article will hopefully be the fulfilment of that.

 

Winston McHarg’s contrary view 

 

….

According to the traditional Adventist position the “cleansing of the sanctuary” of Daniel 8:14 is an investigative judgment of the professed people of God. A study of the context of this verse reveals that this unusual interpretation finds no support in this chapter.

 

The symbolism of Daniel 8 centers in the notorious little horn which is described as performing a number of horrific acts. Among other things he is said to take away the daily sacrifices, pollute the sanctuary and persecute the people of God. After witnessing these terrible events in vision Daniel hears two angelic beings speaking to each other. One asks the question, “For how long is the vision concerning the continual burnt offering, the transgressing that makes desolate, and the giving over of the sanctuary and the host to be trampled under foot?” (v. 13). In verse 14—the answer to this question—the other angel replies, “Unto 2300 days then shall the sanctuary be cleansed” (K.J.V.). It is clear, then, that the “cleansing of the sanctuary” must involve the destruction of the little horn and the restoration of the sanctuary. The Adventist interpretation totally ignores this context and switches to the theme of an investigation of the professed people of God. This exegesis fails to answer the question of verse 13 and is completely irrelevant to the context of the entire chapter. There is however a simple, straightforward and convincing alternative.

 

Modern Bible commentators are almost unanimous in seeing the Greek king, Antiochus IV Epiphanes, as the fulfillment of the little horn of Daniel, chapter 8.

 

Antiochus Epiphanes was an erratic megalomaniac who made it his express purpose to eliminate the religion of Jehovah from the face of the earth. The history of this evil madman is graphically outlined in the two intertestamental books of Maccabees, which describe a horrific period of desecration and bloodshed during the years 171-165 BC.

 

Damien Mackey’s comment: For my complete historical renovation of king Antiochus, including the dates, though, see e.g. my article:

 

Golden Age of Athens actually belongs to the Seleucid tyrants

 

(5) Golden Age of Athens actually belongs to the Seleucid tyrants

 

Winston McHarg continues:

 

During this terrible period of approximately 2300 days, Antiochus attempted to impose Greek customs upon the Jewish people. Along with many other terrible outrages he banned the continual sacrifices, desecrated the temple by installing a pagan image, poured swine’s broth around the temple and tortured and murdered thousands who refused to abandon their faith. Never before had there been such a blatant, foul and arrogant attempt to totally wipe out the faith of Israel.

 

The well-known scholar, William Barclay, in his commentary on the book of Revelation, details some of the horror of this time:

 

“Eighty thousand Jews were either slaughtered or sold into slavery. To circumcise a child or to possess a copy of the Law was a crime punishable by death. History has seldom, or never, seen so deliberate attempt to wipe out the faith and religion of a whole people.

 

He desecrated the Temple. He erected an altar to Olympian Zeus in the Holy Place, and on it he sacrificed swine’s flesh; and he turned the rooms of the Temple into public brothels …

To the Jews Antiochus was the incarnation of all evil; he is the blasphemous little horn of Daniel; he is the nearest approach to Antichrist in human form.” ….

 

The tyrant’s reign of terror was brought to a totally unexpected end when the pious Judas Maccabaeus, and his sons, rallied the faithful, and incredibly routed the Greek army! It was three years to the day, after the installation of the pagan image, that the sanctuary was cleansed and rededicated.

 

This joyful event was henceforth remembered by the feast of Hanukkah, which was observed in the time of Christ (John 10:22) and continues to be celebrated by Jews today. This stirring story is about to be exploited by Hollywood. Mel Gibson is rumoured to be considering making a film recounting these incredible events.

 

To me, and to most other commentators, the fulfillment of the little horn of Daniel 8 in Antiochus Epiphanes is crystal clear. However, the Seventh-day Adventist church, from its very beginning, has vigorously disagreed with this interpretation. According to the official understanding of the church, the horn is a symbol of both the Roman Empire and the Roman church. This understanding is important to the Adventist church because it is foundational to their centre-piece doctrine of the investigative judgment—which the church believes is one of the special truths that God has commissioned it to proclaim to the world.

 

Without questioning the sincerity and earnestness of my many friends in Adventism, I believe there are many convincing reasons why the little horn of Daniel 8 must be Antiochus. Here are some of them:

 

1. The little horn of Daniel 8 is a Greek horn. Unlike the little horn of Daniel 7, which emerges from the Roman beast [sic], this horn is said to emerge from one of the four horns upon the Greek beast. …. This fact is so plain and transparent that one can only wonder why some have overlooked it.

2. One of the first things that the angelic interpretation says about the little horn is that he is “… a king of fierce countenance…” (v. 23). According to the traditional Adventist view the horn represents a kingdom, namely the Roman Empire. It is hard to see how a kingdom could have “a fierce countenance” and “understand dark sentences.” The angelic interpretation allows no misunderstanding.

3. This king emerges from one of the fourfold divisions of the Greek Empire. “Out of one of them came forth a little horn…” (v. 9). Antiochus emerged from the Seleucid horn which was a division of the Greek Empire. Rome did not; it emerged on the Italian peninsula to the west of the Greek Empire.

4. The horn would arise “in the latter time” of the fourfold division, which pictures well Antiochus’s emergence. The fourfold division of Greece had passed the peak of its power when he emerged, and this is evidenced by the humiliation he suffered at the hands of the Romans while on his way to invade Egypt.

5. The horn would attack the south and east and the pleasant land i.e. Palestine. Antiochus did exactly that. However, when Rome came to power, it expanded in all directions including west to Britain and north to the germanic tribes. This little horn is clearly not Rome.

6. The horn would be noted for his cunning and intrigue. He would “understand dark sentences” and “cause craft to prosper” (v.25). Antiochus was renowned for his craftiness and cunning; Rome more for her brute strength and power.

7. The horn would destroy the mighty and holy people. History reveals that tens of thousands perished as Antiochus attempted to force the Jews to deny their faith.

8. The horn would take away the daily sacrifices (v. 11). Antiochus put a stop to the sacrifices for a period of over 3 years.

9. Antiochus “cast down” the place of God’s sanctuary (v. 11) when he shut down its daily ministry and set up the abomination that caused horror, i.e. the image of Zeus Olympias, and slaughtered swine on the altar of burnt offering. The importance of the sanctuary service lay not so much in the building as in the daily sacrifices and offerings, and by taking these away Antiochus “brought low” (NIV) God’s dwelling place.

10. Antiochus continued for approximately (possibly precisely, it is impossible to determine) 2300 days (v. 14) i.e. from the first attacks upon the sanctuary to his death in 164 BC. One of the world’s leading conservative scholars stated, “In this year (i.e. 171BC) began the laying waste of the sanctuary. The termination would then be the death of Antiochus (164BC).” ….

 

There is no convincing fulfilment of the 2300 days in the history of the Roman Empire and only by a fine-spun linking of the Roman Empire with the Roman church, and a further fine-spun linking of Daniel 8 with Daniel 9 … can Seventh-day Adventists arrive at a closing date for the 2300 days.

 

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11. In his desecration of the sanctuary and his persecution of true believers, Antiochus did “practice and prosper” and “was exceeding great” (v.9 & v. 12).

One of the major objections to Antiochus as the fulfillment of the prophecy is the fact that he was a relatively minor player on the stage of history. It is sometimes asserted he is not big enough to fulfill the prophecy. This objection fails to take into account the simple fact that this particular prophecy centers primarily on the fate of the people and religion of God. The great theme of this vision is an unprecedented and successful attack upon the saints and true worship. It is IN THIS SENSE that Antiochus practices and prospers and becomes exceeding great.

….

12. That Antiochus is the little horn of Daniel 8 is convincingly confirmed by a comparison with the final vision of chapter 11. This final vision covers much the same ground as chapter 8. Various Persian and Grecian kings, including Alexander the Great, are referred to, but all are dealt with briefly in just one or two verses. As the vision moves towards its climax, Antiochus is once again centre stage, and no less than fifteen full verses are devoted to him (see 11:21-35). Antiochus is clearly no minor player in this vision. ….

 

Summary

 

The vision of Daniel 8 is probably the clearest in the whole book hence the almost universal agreement by both conservative and liberal scholars on the meaning of the symbols. Almost all are agreed that in Antiochus Epiphanes we find a natural, straightforward and convincing fulfilment of the horn who desecrates the sanctuary.

In contrast to the above, the traditional Seventh-day Adventist position wrestles against the most obvious meaning of the passage. Its assertion that the Roman Empire emerges from one of the Greek horns fatally flaws this interpretation from the very beginning. If you take the wrong path at the commencement of your journey, you can expect to arrive in the wrong place. ….


Daniel 7 and Daniel 8

 


 

by

 Damien F. Mackey

 

A suggestion is made here that Daniel 7 and 8 may contain parallel information,

with the consequence that the one may be shedding helpful light upon the other.

 

 

Introduction

 

Seventh-day Adventist Church article, “Why Antiochus IV Is Not the Little Horn of Daniel 8”:

http://1844madesimple.org/why-antiochus-iv-is-not-the-little-horn-of-daniel-8

has seemingly managed to identify some enlightening parallels between these two chapters of the Book of Daniel – irrespective of whether or not the article has also arrived at the correct conclusion about Antiochus IV.

 

It begins with an overview of opinions on the matter:

 

Crucial to the interpretation of Daniel 8:9-14 is the identification of the little horn power, which dominates these verses. Attempting to identify this little horn, commentators have applied three different methods (preterist, futurist, and historicist) of prophetic interpretation to the texts.

 

Preterists teach that the majority Daniel’s prophecies have already been fulfilled and, therefore, have no present significance. They hold that the little horn rose from one of the divisions of Alexander’s empire; they specifically identify it with the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanes (175-164 B.C.). 

 

Futurists follow this basic line of interpretation as well, though they see Antiochus as a type of an end-time antichrist appearing in the final years of earth’s history.

 

Historicists declare that the prophecies in Daniel portray an outline of human and ecclesiastical history from ancient Babylon down to the end of time, with the little horn power being identified as the Roman Empire, in both its pagan and papal stages.

….

 

Now, skipping what immediately follows, we jump to what I would consider to be the core of the article (whilst not necessarily agreeing with the identity of the four beasts given below). For my preference on this much-debated subject, see e.g. my article:

 

Four Metal Kingdoms of Daniel 2

 

(4) Four Metal Kingdoms of Daniel 2

 

The Seventh-day Adventist article continues:

 

The best way to understand the prophecy is to study it in context of other chapters in Daniel that parallel it, particularly Daniel 7. By comparing these two chapters, we can learn not only which school of prophetic thought best explains the vision of Daniel 8, but we can see why the identification of the little horn as Antiochus Epiphanes simply isn’t tenable. 

 

Daniel 7

 

With the exception of some voices within the preterist camp, most conservative scholars depict the identity of the four beasts in Daniel 7 as follows:

 

(Lion) Babylon

(Bear)Media-Persia

(Leopard) Greece

(Beast with iron teeth) Rome

 

…. While acknowledging (as all the schools do) that the first beast is Babylon, the preterist interpretation identifies the second and third beast of Daniel 7 as Media and then Persia, with the fourth beast being Greece (which arises after Persia) and the little horn coming out of Greece as Antiochus Epiphanes. This argument, however, falls apart on numerous grounds, including the lack of historical data to warrant that separation of Media and Persia into two successive kingdoms. 

 

In contrast, support for the interpretation of Daniel 7 as being Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, and Rome can be found in the interpretation of the ram in Daniel 8. Its two disproportionate horns are specifically identified as the kings of Media and Persia together (vs. 20), reflective of the duality found in the prophet’s view of the bear in Daniel 7, which was raised up one side (Daniel 7:5). Meanwhile, the three-directional nature of the ram’s conquests (Daniel 8:4) also parallels the three ribs depicted in the mouth of the bear (Daniel 7:5), since it expanded to the north (Lydia), to the west (Babylon), and to the south (Egypt), an accurate description of the Media-Persian expansion.

 

Thus, if in Daniel 7 Media-Persia is the second beast, and Greece the third ….

 

Damien Mackey’s Comment: This succession in Daniel 7, apparently finding its parallel confirmation in Daniel 8, makes a lot of sense to me – {which doesn’t guarantee its correctness of course}.

But then I find myself failing to feel fully confident about the next part of the article:

 

(Thus, if in Daniel 7 Media-Persia is the second beast, and Greece the third) then the nondescript beast, the fourth beast in the prophecy, must represent Rome, the great power that arose after Greece. Therefore, the little horn that came from this fourth beast cannot represent Antiochus IV, who arose prior to, and not after, Rome.

 

This is a too neat succession of kingdoms which is neither chronologically nor factually correct.

 

New World Encyclopedia tells correctly that Rome was already very well established at the time of Antiochus IV, and that Rome was in fact calling the shots (not necessarily my BC dates here):

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Antiochus_IV_Epiphanes

 

Antiochus took power after the death of Seleucus Philopator. He had been hostage in Rome following the peace of Apamea in 188 B.C.E. but had recently been exchanged for the son and rightful heir of Seleucus IV, the later Demetrius I of Syria. Taking advantage of this situation, Antiochus was able to proclaim himself as co-regent with another of Seleucus' sons, the infant Antiochus, whose murder he orchestrated a few years later.

 

War with Egypt

 

Antiochus IV was ambitious and wanted to expand both his territory and influence. He was able to make some inroads into Egypt, ruled by the Ptolemies.

 

In 168 B.C.E. he almost succeeded in conquering Egypt but was prevented from doing so as a result of Roman intervention. The [Seleucids] generally continued Alexander's policy of cultural integration but Antiochus IV was more interested in Hellenizing his subjects. He was especially eager to Hellenize the Jews, who resisted the process and he started to use force to pursue this policy. His father had exempted the Jews from the Hellenizing policy. This led to the beginning of the Jewish revolt of the Maccabees.

His infant son, Antiochus V Eupator, succeeded him.

 

Because the guardians of Ptolemy VI of Egypt were demanding the return of Coele-Syria, in 170 B.C.E. Antiochus decided on a preemptive strike and invaded Egypt, conquering all but Alexandria. He then captured Ptolemy but agreed to let him continue as puppet king. This had the advantage of not alarming Rome. Alexandria thereupon chose Ptolemy's brother Ptolemy VIII (Ptolemy Euergetes) as King. In Antiochus' absence, the two brothers came to an agreement to rule jointly. Hence in 168 B.C.E. Antiochus again invaded and overran all Egypt but Alexandria while his fleet captured Cyprus. Near Alexandria a Roman envoy met him and told him that he must at once withdraw from Egypt and Cyprus. Antiochus said he would discuss it with his council, whereupon the envoy drew a line in the sand round him. Were he to step out of the circle, the envoy said, without having first undertaken to withdraw, he would be at war with Rome. Antiochus agreed to withdraw.

 

[End of quote]

 

I now return to the Seventh-day Adventist article, which - while it has now disqualified king Antiochus IV from being Daniel’s ‘little horn’ - provides a series of compelling parallels between the description of the horn in Daniel 7 and 8.

 

Whoever this may represent - and I myself strongly believe that it was Antiochus IV - the combination of descriptions in Daniel 7 and 8 ought greatly to enhance our efforts to arrive at an identification. 

 

Thus, if the little horn in Daniel 8 is an entity that came out of Rome, not Greece, what is its relationship to the little horn in Daniel 8? Could the little horn in Daniel 8 still be Antiochus Epiphanes, even though the little horn in Daniel 7 cannot? Though it’s certainly possible that it could be referring to two different powers, significant arguments exist in favor of identifying the little horns in these two chapters as the same historical entity.

 

1)    Both are identified with the same symbol: a horn

        7:8ff, Aramaic, qeren    8:9 ff, Hebrew qeren 

2)    Both are described as “little” at the outset.

        7:8, Aramaic, zerath    8:9. Hebrew, serath   

3)    Both are described as becoming “great” later on.

       7:20, Aramaic, rab     8:99ff, Hebrew, gadal

4)    Both are described as persecuting powers.

       7:21, 25          8:10, 24

5)    Both have the same target group as object of their persecution.

       7: 27 “people of the saints,             8: 24 “people of the saints”

       Aramaic, am quaddise             Hebrew, am qedosim Cf. vss. 21, 25                                                

6)  Both are described as self-exalting and blasphemous powers.

      7:8, 11, 20, 25    8:10-12, 25 

7)  Both are described as crafty and intelligent.

     7:8 “eyes of a man”     8:25 “cunning and deceit” 

8)  Both represent the final and greatest anti-God climax of their visions.

      7:8-9, 21-22, 25-26       8:12-14, 25 

9)   Both have aspects of their work delineated by prophetic time.

       7:25      8:13-14 

10)  The activities of both extend to the time of the end.

        7:26-26, cf. 12:7-9    8:17, 19 

11)   Both are to be supernaturally destroyed.

        7:11, 26    8:25

 

How much more evidence does one need?  The little horn power of Daniel 7 and the littler horn power of Daniel 8 are both the same entity …

[End of quote

 

I think that this article has made an excellent case in favour of the truth at least of this last statement.

 

Regarding Antiochus ‘Epiphanes’ himself, though, I intend to tackle that subject in my next article, on the little horn of Daniel 7:8.

 

 

 

 

Four Metal Kingdoms of Daniel 2

 




 

by

Damien F. Mackey

  

 

“…. The 4th kingdom in Dan. 2 (A), the 4th beast/kingdom in Dan. 7 (B) and

the goat in Dan. 8 (C) all appear to be symbolic of the same earthly kingdom which Dan. 8:21 explicitly identifies as belonging to the “king of Greece”.”

 

Dr. Craig Smith

   

I would agree with this.

 

With the fourth kingdom properly identified as Hellenistic, and the first kingdom clearly referring to Nebuchednezzar (see below) - with these clearly defined parameters set in place - our task of identifying these various kingdoms is made so much easier.

 

Now it is usual for those who favour the fourth kingdom as Greece instead of Roman for the second and the third kingdoms to be identified as, respectively, Mede and Persian.

 

Whilst this may indeed be the case, I shall also mention what I think could be a possible variation on that sequence (see Second Kingdom below).

 

First Kingdom (Golden): Nebuchednezzar

 

No reasonable commentator would doubt this, since the wise prophet Daniel himself tells the Chaldean king Nebuchednezzar directly (2:38): ‘You are that head of gold’.

 

Second Kingdom (Silver): Belshazzar or Median

 

The first kingdom was simply Nebuchednezzar without mention of anyone else.

 

But, according to my revision, Nebuchednezzar was succeeded by his son, Belshazzar:

 

King Belshazzar? Not a problem

 

(3) King Belshazzar? Not a problem

 

this being fully in accord with the royal succession given in Daniel 5:

 

(i)         Nebuchednezzar succeeded by his son,

(ii) Belshazzar, who was succeeded by

(iii) Darius the Mede.

 

That Belshazzar also ruled a “kingdom” is apparent from his statement to Daniel on the occasion of the Writing on the Wall (5:16): ‘… if thou canst read the writing, and make known to me the interpretation thereof, thou shalt be clothed with scarlet, and have a chain of gold about thy neck, and shalt be the third ruler in the kingdom”.

 

Belshazzar’s “kingdom” would fit Daniel’s description of the second kingdom in at least two aspects, its coming after Nebuchednezzar, and its being inferior to Nebuchednezzar (2:39): ‘After you, another kingdom will arise, inferior to yours’.

 

Perhaps another argument in favour of king Belshazzar over Darius the Mede, for the identity of the second kingdom, is the fact that Daniel 8:20 connects the Median and Persian empires together as the one symbolical animal-entity (a “ram”): ‘The two-horned ram that you saw represents the kings of Media and Persia’.

 

And, again, the kingdom of Darius the Mede was no tin-pot kingdom (6:1-2): “It pleased Darius to appoint 120 satraps to rule throughout the kingdom, with three administrators over them, one of whom was Daniel”.

 

Whatever be the case, it does not affect things overmuch insofar as we have a firmly defined terminus a quo beginning (the first kingdom) and terminus ad quem ending (the fourth kingdom).

 

 

Reasoning from the above, then, the terrible:

 

Fourth Kingdom (Iron): is Hellenistic (Macedonian)

 

Daniel 2’s Fourth Kingdom not Rome

 

 

“The only real difficulty with understanding the 4th kingdoms of Dan. 2 and 7

and the goat of Dan. 8 as the Macedonian Empire is an artificial one; that is,

it goes against popular interpretations which have dominated discussions

about Daniel for some time”.

 

Dr. Craig Smith

 

 

Despite our having found that there was a strong and emerging Roman Republic at the time of the Maccabees, we have determined that some of the Republic’s leading lights, conventionally speaking, were simply later adaptations of (generally) Hellenistic Greeks. And some of the supposed Roman emperors were actually Seleucid Greeks. Here are just the more recent of my various articles on this subject which are important for the references that they provide to other articles of mine:

 

Pericles thought to have preceded, by centuries, Hadrian, a ‘second Pericles’

 

(3) Pericles thought to have preceded, by centuries, Hadrian, a ‘second Pericles’

 

Golden Age of Athens actually belongs to the Seleucid tyrants

 

(3) Golden Age of Athens actually belongs to the Seleucid tyrants

 

 

 

 

Greece or Rome?

 

Dr. Craig Smith introduces both the Greek and Roman interpretations of Daniel 2:

http://shepherdproject.com/rome-or-greece-interpreting-the-fourth-kingdom-in-daniel-2/

 

Rome or Greece: Interpreting the Fourth Kingdom in Daniel 2

 

In Daniel 2, there is a prophecy about a large statue made from four different metals.  Within Daniel 2, each portion of the statue is stated to be symbolic of a kingdom.  The identity of the first kingdom is made explicit in Daniel 2:38 where it is identified as the Babylonian Empire, headed at that time by Nebuchadnezzar.  The identity of the 2nd, 3rd and 4th kingdoms, however, is less obvious, though the text seems to say that these are successive kingdoms (i.e. there do not appear to be gaps between the prophesied kingdoms).

 

It has been common practice among Christians since Jerome (347-420 A.D.) to interpret the 4th of these kingdoms as being the Roman Empire.  The primary reason for this seems to be that Daniel predicted that, during the 4th kingdom a stone “not cut with human hands” (Dan. 2:34) would strike the kingdom and destroy it.  This stone has long been understood to be Jesus of Nazareth, who was born during the Roman era.  While symbolically satisfying for obvious reasons, this interpretation is simply not as strong as another, far older interpretive option which understands the 4th kingdom to be the Macedonian/Greek Empire as established by Alexander the Great.   As I will argue here, this interpretation ultimately does a much better job of staying true to the biblical text itself and to the historical events that Daniel clearly foretold several centuries earlier. 

….

 

 

But, now, with articles of mine such as:

 

Judas the Galilean vitally links Maccabean era to Daniel 2’s “rock cut out of a mountain”

 

(3) Judas the Galilean vitally links Maccabean era to Daniel 2’s “rock cut out of a mountain”

 

I believe that the Seleucid Greek identification with Daniel’s 4th Kingdom can yet yield the desired outcome, that:

 

Jesus Christ himself is the ‘stone’ of Daniel 2

 

(3) Jesus Christ himself is the 'stone' of Daniel 2

 

Again, with the:

 

Merging the Maccabean with the Herodian Age

 

(3) Merging the Maccabean with the Herodian Age

 

it has become possible for Daniel’s Fourth Kingdom, as a Greek kingdom, to be struck by that stone “not cut with human hands” (Dan. 2:34), which is indeed Jesus of Nazareth (Matthew 21:42):

“Jesus said to them, ‘Have you never read in the Scriptures: “The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes”’?”

 

Dr Craig Smith now proceeds to give his:

 

Reasons for understanding Daniel’s 4th kingdom as the Macedonian/ Greek Empire:

 

  1. The 4th kingdom in Dan. 2 (A), the 4th beast/kingdom in Dan. 7 (B) and the goat in Dan. 8 (C) all appear to be symbolic of the same earthly kingdom which Dan. 8:21 explicitly identifies as belonging to the “king of Greece.”

 

a. The first three kingdoms in Dan. 2 and the first three beasts/kingdoms in Dan. 7 are obviously parallel, leading us to assume that they will also be parallel in regards to their respective 4th kingdom. The connection between the 1st, 2nd and 3rd kingdoms in Dan. 2 & the 1st, 2nd and 3rd kingdoms in Dan. 7 is obvious and widely, if not universally, accepted. If these two prophecies are each speaking about the same kingdoms in the first three instances, then it is most natural to assume that they are also speaking about the same 4th kingdom. Even apart from any direct evidence of parallels between the 4th kingdom in Dan. 2 and the 4th beast/kingdom in Dan. 7 (see below), it would still be most natural to assume the two prophecies are detailing the same 4th kingdom simply because these two prophecies have been paralleling one another in the first three instances.

 

b. There are also explicit parallels of content between the 4th kingdoms of Dan. 2 & 7 and the goat of Dan. 8.

 

(1)    In all three prophecies, there is a reference to God’s activity in demolishing human kingdoms.  In Dan. 2 this happens during the 4th kingdom (a stone “not cut by human hands”, 2:34). In Dan. 7 it happens during the 4th kingdom (the Ancient of Days destroys the 4th beast; 7:9-11). 

 

These parallel references also seem to correspond to the statement in Dan. 8 that the small horn which came from the goat was “broken without human agency,” a phrase which is quite similar to the description of a stone “not cut by human hands” in 2:44.

 

(2) Similarities between the unidentified beast of Dan. 7 and the goat of Dan. 8 are substantial.

 

·       Both overtake the whole earth with great power and speed

·       Both are initially unified under a single leader but are then split into factions

·       A small horn which eventually emerges from one of the splintered factions is described in considerable detail in both Dan. 7 and Dan. 8, including statements of the horn’s boastfulness and opposition to God’s saints.  This small horn was destroyed by the Ancient of Days in Dan. 7:9-12, a prediction which appears to be repeated in Dan. 8:25 where it is said to be “broken without human agency.”

 

It would appear that the unidentified beast of Dan. 7 is identified and further described by the prophecy of the goat in Dan. 8.

 

It seems clear that the 4th kingdom of Dan. 2 (A) and the 4th kingdom of Dan. 7 (B) correspond to one another, so A=B.  It also seems clear that the 4th kingdom of Dan. 7 (B) corresponds to the goat of Dan. 8 (C), so B=C.  If A=B and B=C then A=C; i.e. the goat of Dan. 8 must also correspond to the 4th kingdom of Dan. 2.  All three references of these passages prophesy about the same kingdom.  Since Dan. 8:21 explicitly identifies its 4th kingdom as being ruled by the “king of Greece”, then the 4th kingdom of Dan. 2 and the goat of Dan. 8 are also ruled by the “king of Greece”; i.e. this is the Macedonian/ Greek Empire.

 

2.      The details of the 4th kingdom in Dan. 2 & 7 and the details of the goat in Dan. 8 fit the historical events of the Macedonian/Greek Empire extremely well.  Conversely, the specific details do not correspond naturally to events from the Roman era.

 

a.                   Alexander the Great was the strongest military leader the world had ever seen. This fits the descriptions of a kingdom of iron which tramples all the other kingdoms (Dan. 2) as well as the fearsomeness of the goat (Dan. 8) and the teeth of iron possessed by the 4th beast in Dan. 7.  There is no particular reason why this could not also apply to the Roman Empire as it was also wide-spread and extremely powerful.  However, there is no one individual closely associated with the rise of the Roman Empire in the ancient world and Daniel clearly associates a single leader with this kingdom’s earliest stages.

 

b.                  Alexander conquered the ancient world in an astonishingly short time (about 3 years). This fulfilled the prophecy about “coming over the surface of the earth without touching the ground” (i.e. advancing at great speed; 8:5).  There is simply no similar concept of rapid conquest associated with Rome.

 

c.       Alexander was the first non-oriental king to rule this area (i.e. he was “different from the others” since the Babylonian, Median and Persian Empires were all oriental; 7:7). This would also be true of Rome and, as a republic in its earlier stages, its form of government might also fit this prophecy.

 

d.      Right after conquering the world, Alexander died unexpectedly, leaving no children.  His empire was splintered into four initial sections each headed by one of his four generals (a divided kingdom; 2:41, divided into four initial horns; 8:8, 8:22, also 11:6). These eventually gave rise to multiple kings who warred with one another (10 horns; 7:7, 7:24]).  There is no easy way to fit these prophetic details with the Roman Empire.

 

e.                   The small horn which eventually grew up out of the emains of this 4th kingdom fits the infamous Antiochus Epiphanes very well. His very name, Epiphanes, means “God manifest” (“magnified itself to be equal with the Commander of the host”; 8:11) and was self-chosen (boasting; 7:8, 7:20).  In 167 B.C, he destroyed Jerusalem, defiled the temple and rendered it unusable for sacrifices (which fits the details of Dan. 8 extremely well).

 

f.                    Other details of Daniel beyond the prophecies of 2,7 & 8 also cohere well if we understand the 4th kingdom and the goat to be references to the Macedonian Empire. In particular, the references to the king of the North and the king of the South in Dan. 11 fit perfectly with the Seleucid (northern) and Ptolemic (southern) regimes which emerged from the four-way split of the Macedonian Empire.

 

Difficulties with this view:

 

Damien Mackey’s comment: Some of what Dr. Smith has to say from here on could benefit, I believe, from my new chronological perspective: “Merging [of the] Maccabean and Herodian ages”.

 

Dr. Smith continues:

 

The only real difficulty with understanding the 4th kingdoms of Dan. 2 & 7 and the goat of Dan. 8 as the Macedonian Empire is an artificial one; that is, it goes against popular interpretations which have dominated discussions about Daniel for some time.  As we have seen, though, it does not go against the biblical or historical evidence.  From that perspective, there is little or no problem with this interpretation.  However, since it flies in the face of presently popular understandings, this bears some address.

 

The strongest argument for the 4th kingdom of Dan. 2 and 7 being the Roman Empire is the arrival of the rock/Ancient of Days/”one like a son of man” during the 4th kingdom.  If this is Jesus, who did not arrive during the Macedonian Empire but during the Roman [sic], then the 4th kingdom would have to be the Roman Empire, in spite of all the evidence considered above.  However, these are not all references to Jesus and in fact, the reference to Jesus (“the one like a son of man” which was Jesus’ favorite title for himself) is clearly distinct from the Ancient of Days.  Moreover, the “one like a son of man” arrives after the Ancient of Days has destroyed the 4th kingdom’s power…possibly a considerable amount of time later.

 

1.    The “rock not cut by human hands” in Dan. 2 is not the same as the “one like a son of man” in Dan. 7.

 

It is clear in Dan. 7 that it is the appearance of the Ancient of Days who destroys the power of the beasts/kingdoms, but it is also clear that the Ancient of Days is not the same as the one “like a son of man”.

 

The “one like a son of man” receives his power/dominion from the Ancient of Days, so they cannot be the same person.  The rock “not cut by human hands” of Dan. 2, the Ancient of Days in Dan. 7 and the power which destroys the small horn in Dan. 8:25 are likely the same, but the “one like a son of man” seems to be distinct (though obviously connected).

 

2.   The arrival of the “one like a son of man” in Dan. 2 seems to come sometime after the destruction of the 4th kingdom, not during it.

 

Daniel says that the Ancient of Days destroyed the fourth beast and the power of all the beasts/kingdoms, but that an “extension of life” was granted to the beasts (7:13-14).  The “one like a son of man” only appears after this extension.  If the 4th kingdom is the Macedonian Empire, this works perfectly. God destroyed the small horn, Antiochus Epiphanes (who we know died not in battle but from either a sickness or a fall from his chariot…i.e. not by human hands), fatally wounding what was left of the splintered power of the Macedonian Empire.  The Maccabean revolt in Israel followed [sic] this, throwing off much of the Greek power over Israel.  However, the Greeks continued to rule Israel albeit in reduced capacity until the Romans came in 63 AD.  Jesus then appeared soon after Rome came on the scene and Rome was eventually swallowed by Christianity when it became a Christian empire.  In effect, Rome was a part of God’s final destruction of previous world powers in this region.

 

But if this rock not cut by human hands is not Jesus of Nazareth, then what/who is it?  I believe the best interpretation is that it is the Kingdom of God itself.  Obviously, Jesus accomplished the decisive victory by which the Kingdom was inaugurated with his crucifixion and resurrection.  However, even Jesus spoke of the presence of the Kingdom in present terms before his resurrection.  This is, undoubtedly, in many ways related to the incarnation – that is, the Kingdom was present because Jesus himself was present – but there is no particular reason why the beginnings of the Kingdom – which is, after all, the rule of God in human affairs – could not have earlier stirrings going back into the Macedonian period.

 

As discussed above, the actions of Antiochus Epiphanes eventually led to the Maccabean revolt which did two things.  First, it seems to have brought divine judgment upon him, leading to his death “not by human hands” which, in turn, dramatically undermined the power of what was left of the Macedonian Empire.  In this way, God’s actions broke the power of the 4th kingdom and set in motion events which came to a head with the arrival of Jesus.  Second, the Maccabean revolt did something extremely important with respect to Jesus’ ministry:  it stirred up longings for the arrival of God’s Messiah.  With a taste of freedom but also the knowledge that they would not be completely free until God moved, during the latter part of the Macedonian occupation, the people of Israel began to long for the Messiah to an unprecedented degree.  The messianic fervor that we find in the 1st century Jewish culture of Jesus’ day was directly related to the events which occurred during the Macedonian occupation of Israel. 

 

I believe this is what is meant by the prophetic details of the 4th kingdom in Dan. 2, 7 & 8:  during this time, God would do something that would grow larger and larger until eventually it destroyed to power of all other kings and kingdoms.  Obviously Jesus was the “one like the son of man” who decisively declared the absolute power of this divine Kingdom and won its critical victory, but he need not be taken as the initial “rock” thrown in the pond of human affairs [sic].